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had to act for the middle class. we rescued general motors. we made sure that we cut taxes for the middle class. and in addition to that -- when that occurred, what did romney do? he said, no, let the detroit go bankrupt. we helped people refinance their homes. governor romney said, no, let foreclosures hit the bottom. it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend, recently in a speech for washington said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in federal income tax. they are elderly people living on social security, veterans and people fighting in afghanistan right now who are, quote, not paying any tacks. i have had it up to hear with that notion of 47%. it's about time to take responsibility. instead of signing pledges to grover norquist, not to ask the wealthiest amongitous contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge to t

made sure that we cut taxes for the middle class, and in addition to that, when that occurred, what did romney do? romney said no, let detroit go bankrupt. we moved in and helped people refinance their loans. governor romney says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility of their lives. my friend said 30% are takers. these people are my mom and dad, my neighbors. they pay more tax than governor romney pays. they are elderly people who in fact are living off of social security. there are veterans who are not quote not paying taxes. i've had it up to here with this notion -- instead of signing pledges not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class, we're going to level the playing field. we're going to give you a fair shot again. we are going to not repeat the mistakes we made in the past by having a different set of rules for wall street and main street. making sure that we continue to hemorrhage these tax cuts for the super wealthy. they're pushing the continuation of a tax

on taxes, the economy, foreign policy, if you like. share portions of the debate with those in your community. you are welcome to do that on c- span.org and book for our debate held. tomorrow, the candidates are on the campaign trail. vice president biden with joe biden will be in wisconsin at 2:45 eastern time. paul ryan will be with mitt romney in lancaster, ohio, at 5:40 p.m. both of them will be airing on c-span. right now, it is time for us to play, in its entirety, tonight's presidential visit vice- presidential debate in kentucky. -- tonight's vice presidential debate in kentucky. i am martha raddatz. i am honored to moderate this debate between the two men who have dedicated much of their lives to public service. it is divided between domestic and foreign policy issues. i will move back and forth between foreign and domestic. we will have nine different segments. at the beginning of each segment, i will ask both candidates a question and they will each have two minutes to answer. i will encourage discussion between the candidate with follow-up question. it has been determine

and let us pass the tax cuts, pass the jobs bill, just get out of the way. stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy where you take responsibility. by the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky. i was there. we cannot afford that. all of a sudden, these guys are so seized with the concern about the debt. >> let's not forget that they came in with one-party control. when barack obama was elected, his party controlled everything. they had the ability to do everything of their choosing. they passed the stimulus. the idea that we could borrow $831 billion and spend it on all of these special interest groups and would work out just fine. they said if we just passed the stimulus, the economy would grow at 4%. it is growing at 1.3%. >> when could you get below 6%? >> that is what our entire premise is about. look at the $90 billion in stimulus. the vice-president was in charge of overseeing this. $90 billion to campaign contributors and special interest groups. the department of energy, over 100 criminal investigations. >> an

sense. who do you trust on this? they're saying no, they're holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. just get out of the way. but it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsible responsible for their own lives. >> i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. have you ever seen me rope-a-dope. ♪ how you like me now ♪ how like me now ♪ how you like me now >> he came, he saw, and he told the truth, and the great pretender, paul ryan, was exposed after a no holds barred full out slugfest of a debate with vice president joe biden last night. and for democrats across the country, it is tgi biden, a man who brought the fight to congressman ryan with a huge heart and lethal honesty on everything from medicare to taxes, abortion, middle class opportunity, and foreign policy. and this afternoon the vice president landed in ryan's home turf of wisconsin hungry for more action going after romney/ryan on the 47%.

. "i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan." mitchell: "the nonpartisan tax policy center concluded that mitt romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over 10 years." vo: why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? silverado! the most dependable, longest lasting, full-size pickups on the road. so, what do you think? [ engine revs ] i'll take it. [ male announcer ] it's chevy truck month. now during chevy truck month, get 0% apr financing for 60 months or trade up to get the 2012 chevy silverado all-star edition with a total value of $8,000. hurry in before they're all gone! >> i want to bring the conversation to the state of our economy, the number one issue here at home is jobs. the percentage of unemployed just fell 8% for the first time in 43 months. the obama administration had projected that it would fall below 6% now after

immediately rescued general motors. we made sure we cut taxes for the middle class and in addition to that, and when that occurred, what did romney do? romney said, no, let detroit go bankrupt. we helped people refinance their homes. governor romney said, no, let foreclosures hit the bottom. it shouldn't be surprising for a guy that says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend recently said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are, my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more taxes than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. they are elderly who are living off of soecial security. they are veterans. i've had it up to here with this notion that 47% -- it's about time they take some responsibility here. and instead of signing pledging to grover nord quist not to ask the wealthiest to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should say to the middle class, we're going to level the playing field. we're going to give you a fair shot again. we are going to not repeat the mistakes we ma

don't know. i never have enough money to do it. the middle class needs relief, tax relief. they needed now. >> the governor, if you like to respond to what he said about senator mccain's remarks. >> we can speak an agreement that, don wright, we need tax relief for americans so that -- darn right, we need tax relief for americans so that we can have jobs in america. barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction. 94 times. that is not what we need to create jobs and really bolster and heat up our economy. we do need the private sector to be able to keep more what we're in and produce. government will have to learn to be more efficient and live with less if that is what it takes to rein in the government growth that we have seen today. but we do need tax relief and barack obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only 40 two thousand dollars a year. that is a lot of middle-income average american families to increase taxes on them. i think that is

, plant closings, layoffs, outsourcing, income tax returns, cayman islands in the bermudas. they took a baseball bat and beat romney's brains and in the six or seven swing states and that is why his numbers are upside down and that is why he has had so many problems until now. why they did that i don't know. i've been asking that question since june and i just think it was a huge miscalculation and the romney campaign family intervention that politico reported the other day basically tried to introduce him. this is what they should've done and the intervention that was reported was that mrs. romney and tad romney the oldest son of mitt romney went to his father and said you have to change things. is that the essence of of the? >> yeah and the family have wanted to take the charlie cook approach and alluded to the fact that their big bad from the beginning, the stuart steven sperry, the chief strategist very in the campaign was that all you had to be was not obama and that turned out to be wrong. you see it in the different channels they are doing now. no, you have to be yourself and n

to tackle at an issue, increasing their taxes? >> let's start with the families. they will get their attention. the voters have to understand all this, which they did not, and voters need to understand what we have to do to get all this corrected, and they do not. if we ever get that over to the voters, they will vote for the people who are geared up, ready, and know how to do it and are running on that basis, and then we can change this country forever and get us back to where we used to be when i was a boy in the depression. why schoolteachers and would have been doctors, lawyers, indian chiefs today. with luck they were making $200 a month, but they were talented, they brought out the best in all of us. they were by example really fine people, and with the highest qualities. all that got transmitted to the children at class a even if they were not getting it at home. >> when you were running you were talking about increasing not necessarily dollars per capita, but investing in education, communications, and transportation. even while trying to reduce deficits and debt, you w

, i never have enough money to do it. the middle class needs relief, tax relief, they need help now. the focus will change with barack obama. >> moderator: governor, please, if you want to respond to what he said about -- palin: i'd like to respond about the tax increases. you know, we can speak in agreement that darn right we need tax relief for americans so that jobs can be created here. now, barack obama and senator biden also voted for the largest tax increases in u.s. history. barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes, and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction. 94 times. now, that's not what we need to create jobs and really bolster and heat up our economy. we do need the private sector to be able to keep more of what we earn and produce. government's going to have to learn to be more efficient and live with less if that's what it takes to rein in the government growth that we've seen today. but we do need tax relief, and barack obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only

a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they arrived. >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve important references for middle-class taxpayers. >> it isn't mathematically possible. >> it isn't. it's been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> it's been done a couple times. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- >> okay. good morning. >> i missed that one. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, october 12th. with us on set, we have the former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. and contributor to "newsweek" and the daily beast and former adviser to george w. bush, mark mckinnon. >> wait. no, hold on. what is that, willie? >> it's fair to call it the mexican scarf. >> willie and i both were thinking about wearing that yesterday, but we were afraid we'd come to the set wearing the same thing. >> yes. maybe mark feels the need to distract this morning. >> distracting. let's see what al hunt is wearing this morning. >> washi

of comfort with voters. the obama campaign guns in. plant closings, layoffs, outsourcing, income tax returns. they take a baseball bat in beat romney's brains in in the six or seven swing states. that is why his numbers were upside down. why they did that i do not know. i have been asking that question since june. it was a huge miscalculation. the romney campaign family intervention try to introduce him -- this is what they should have done back in may or june. >> mrs. romney and the oldest son of mitt romney went to the father and said to have to change things. >> for a long time, the family had wanted to take the charlie cook approach. chris wallace alluded to the fact that their big bet from the beginning was that all you had to be was not obama. that turned out to be wrong. we can see in the different channels that they are doing now. you have to be yourself in addition to not being obama. >> let me explain. a lot of you do not know who stuart stevens is. he is a republican strategist from mississippi. he was a hollywood writer. he used to write "northern exposure." he has written a coup

borrowing, higher taxes, a government takeover of health care. it's not working. it's failed to create the jobs we need. 23 million americans are struggling for work today. 15% of americans are in poverty. this is not what a real recovery looks like. you deserve better. mitt romney and i want to earn your support. we're offering real reforms for a real recovery for every american. mitt romney, his experience, his ideas, his solutions is uniquely qualified to get this job done. at a time when we have a jobs crisis in america, wouldn't it be nice to have a job creator in the white house? the choice is clear. a stagnant economy that promotes more government dependency, or a dynamic growing economy that promotes opportunity and jobs? mitt romney and i will not duck the tough issues. and we will not blame others for the next four years. we will take responsibility and we will not try to replace our founding principles. we will reapply our founding princip principles. the choice is clear. and the choice rests with you. and we ask you for your vote. thank you. >> and thank you, both, again. t

it was hard to kind of discern -- on medicare, on the tax, i thought biden did a great job on raising the question how do you pay for it, give us something. >> i walked away from that with a little less understanding of what both of them were talking about. i was a little more confused. >> i understand, but if you were someone who came in -- if you were completely confused by the first debate, trying to figure out what's different about these two party, don't you think after last night -- >> i feel like they went back to talking point, but i didn't get anymore -- >> you're making the point we had no wrd what tidea what the s are. it took biden? the guy running the country should have been making -- >> you'll hear it in the next debate. part of his job was to make those distunkss. >> we did think about putting me while you were talking in a box next to you and i was going to do all these weird is expressions. but we didn't do it because we respect you. >> thank you for not. >> mr. wewe -- i won't come it. >> very wise of you. no, i won't do it. >> thank you for being up early with us.

will tax people who are trying to get somewhere instead of taxing people who are already somewhere. these people who are making billions of dollars have enough money to help others in need. they have enough money to give to the ones in need. instead of uniting the country and doing bad, we decide that we want to say, listen, we are going to pay these guys more than we will pay these guys. you have people on welfare that are barely making it. and obama is giving them a fighting chance. we have to give -- let me just say this one thing. and we ought to give the community a fighting chance. everybody has to have a fighting chance, as joe biden was saying last night. that is what they are thinking. host: did you participate in the democratic national convention in charlotte, when it was down there? caller: yes, sir. i was working down there. it was a mandatory work. host: what kind of work were you doing down there? caller: i was doing the about term attendant jobs at the airport. but i have just got laid off. and i'm going to re hard time. tuesday that 47% of the country does not want

, this is "democracy now!" >> we immediately went out and rescued general motors. we went ahead and major we cut taxes from the middle-class. in addition, when that occurred, what did romney do? m the romney said to let foreclosures hit the bottom rate is should not surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> with respect to that, the vice-president very well knows that sometimes the words do not come out of your mouth or by way. [laughter] >> but i always say what i mean. and so does romney. >> as vice-president joe biden and republican congress member paul ryan spar in kentucky, in their only vice-presidential debate, we break the sound barrier including two candidates shut out by the two men political parties. chicano writer luis rodriguez, the vice president to candidate of the justice party, and cheri honkala of the green party. >> there's a real crisis happening in this country. when corporations and the wealthy to pay someone to do child labor or slave wages, why would they pay the american worker a decent wage? >> and ga

over joe biden's smile. here is a little of last night's debate on taxes. [video clip] >> the middle class will pay less and people making a million dollars will begin to attributed -- to contribute slightly more. the continuation of the bush tax cuts, we argued those tax cuts for the wealthy should be allowed to expire. of those, 800 million billion dollars of that goes to people making car minimum of $1 billion. we see no justification in these economic times, they are not asking for this continued tax cut, but my friends are insisting on it. if 120,000 families, by continuing that tax cuts, will get an additional $500 billion in tax relief over the next 10 years and their income is an average of $8 million. we want to expend the middle class tax cut permanently. these guys will not allow us to. in the senate we say let's have a vote on middle-class tax cuts and the upper class tax cut and let's vote on it. >> our entire premise of the tax reform plans is to grow the economy and create jobs. it's a plan estimated to create 7 million jobs. we think that the government taking a 28% o

had when he ran years ago that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle-down government would work. that's not the right answer for america. i will restore the vitality that gets america working again. up next, look at the findings of a new public opinion poll in the american attitude towards muslims and arabs. the polls conducted filing recent violent protests in the arab world that erupted in a film than a gritting islam. our al arabiya news channel was part of this 90 minute event hosted by the brookings institution. >> thanks for coming out on a somewhat dreary fall morning for an event that in many ways is more prodigiously timed today than it was when we planned it, because today that was when we planned it because primitive to candidate governor mitt romney is giving a major foreign policy address earlier today just to the south of casa addressing many of the middle east policy questions that we will be discussing over the course of the day. and i hope that we will be able to take a look at what the public opinion data may rev

then. jamie: well the vice-presidential candidates are hitting each other very hard on taxes. vice president biden claiming the republicans are insisting on new tax cuts for the wealthy. congressman ryan responding with a warning for the middle class. >> if you taxed every person and successful small business making over $200,000 over 100% it would only run the government for 98 days. if everybody who paid income taxes last year including successful small businesses doubled their income taxes last year we would still have a $300 billion deficit. you see there aren't enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending. and so the next time you hear them say, don't worry about it, we'll get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share, watch out middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. jamie: stuart varney, anchor of "varney & company" on the fox business network here to tell us what he thinks about that. hi, stu, good morning. >> well look, the central quote on the economic side of the debate which policy will grow the economy and cut the deficit. paul r

rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending. so the next time you hear them say, don't worry about it, we'll get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share, watch out, middle class. the tax bill's coming to you. >> michael, what was your take on the debate? >> i went back and read the transcript of the debate after it was over. if you go through point by point, it's amazing how often biden bests ryan on the actual merits of the policies they are talking about. i do think for the actual discussion was so complicated though, i do think a lot of people are going to take away from this debate whatever they came into the debate. it's hard to follow in realtime what they were saying about libya or tax policy. so you end up taking away the body language. whether you like joe biden or don't like joe biden and the polls show the country divided on that and people feel hot one way or the other, you would like his gesticulation. democrats needed to turn the page on the last debate with the president. take real punches at republican talking points and set the stage for

choices. his economic agenda, more spending, borrowing, higher taxes, a government takeover of health care -- it is not working. it has failed to create the jobs we need. 23 million americans are looking for work today. this is not what a real recovery looks like. you deserve better. mitt romney and i want to earn your support. we are offering real reforms for a real recovery for every american. mitt romney, his experience, his ideas, his solutions is uniquely qualified to get the job done. at a time we have a jobs crisis until a america, would it not be nice to have a job creator in the white house? the choice is clear. a stagnant economy that promotes more government dependency, or a dynamic growing economy that provides opportunity and jobs. mitt romney and i will not duck the tough issues. we will not blame others for the next four years. we will take responsibility. we will not try to replace our founding principles. we will reapply our founding principles. the choice is clear. the choice rests with the. we ask you for your vote. thank you. >> thank you but again. thank you very much.

. >> reporter: or ryan's attempt to compare the mitt romney tax plan to jack kennedy's. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: ryan was able to fire back with a few zingers of his own. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> reporter: republicans in the post debate spin room tried to make the case biden failed not only on style. >> quite frankly i was embarrassed for the vice president. i mean, the laughs. we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance pointing to the vice president's response on whether there was adequate security before the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. >> and they wanted more security there. >> well, we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> we just had a major hearing on this. that was one of the heart -- the heart of the point was these requests went unheated. and obviously

stunned that obama didn't mention that last week. and, of course, romney's income taxes and how he made his money at bain consulting. those are all issues i think we will hear from joe biden on. and it is very different than what biden's pass was four years ago, steve, as you recall facing sarah palin. the biggest challenge been for biden was don't patronize sarah palin, don't bully sarah palin certainly, try to a quarter to a certain degree of respect. i think this is a different time, and paul ryan is a different opponent. >> there's been what some are calling the rebuttal as both congressman paul ryan, republican vice president to nominate and vice president biden try to set expectations for the debate on thursday. let me share with you will paul ryan said on the fox news channel late last month. >> he's fast on the cup, he's a witty guy. he knows who he is and he's been doing this for 40 years. so you're not going to rattle joe biden. joe biden on the national stage, he's ran for president twice in a sitting vice president. what i hope to achieve is to give people an alternative. ve

and joe biden admitting their plan is to raise taxes by over $1 trillion? does that play well with america? paul ryan thought it's a good line if we confiscated 100% of the wealth that quote evil rich people that aren't paying their fair share, i think that was rebutted well this week. >> you can impose this tax above quote people making over too,000 a yeefr, -- year to pay for the government six day. >> that is right. six days. this is about the campaign not the economy. and paul made a point effectively. under their tax plan, high income people would pay the same percentage of the revenue coming into the government as they would before we lowered everybody's taxes. i mean the reason for lowering everybody's taxes is not rocket science, this produces economic growth. every country in the world is doing this. even europeans are lowering rates. >> sean: effective argument is when congressman ryan pointed out tax rates in canada that has been doing better than we have been doing. >> sean: senator good, to see you. >> thank you. >> i noticed you're giving away bourbon. i wonder if joe had som

more than 4%. >> next, the obama tax plan. >> the average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world as 25% and he wanted top effective tax rate above 40%. two-thirds of our jobs come from small businesses. this one a tax would tax 53% of small business and come. >> that include businesses people would not consider small businesses. it could include hedge funds that actually pull in hundreds of millions of dollars per year. >> the congressman cut embassies' security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for. >> the "prior to the best -- the death of osama bin laden. >> this comes from a quotation their romney gave back in 2007 and there was more to it. not going after just bin laden but the entire network of terrorists. >> there with no shortage of a misleading and exaggerated claims in fact check says it be prepared to hear much of the same in the coming weeks. >> now your 11 insta-weather + forecast with meteorologist tony pann. >> the average time is 68. the wind kicking up in the afternoon because we had a cold front go through with a nice canadian air mass behi

tv ad that strikes a familiar theme. hitting mitt romney on his tax plan. take a listen. >> you paid 14% in federal taxes. that's the capital gains rate. is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did? so you think it is fair. >> yeah. i think it's the right way to encourage economic growth. >> lower tax rates for him, then us. is that the way to grow america? >> well, expect that one seen on a tv screen near you especially if you're in a swing state. from mitt romney and the gop meanwhile a new ad strategy. the "new york post" says romney and his colleagues are looking at a high rate high media strategy. pro romney ad buys double and even tripled in some key swing states this week. >>> later today paul ryan wrapped up a campaign rally just a few short hours ago. he echoed a theme we heard in the debate friday night. >> the president had his chance. he had his choices. he came in with one-party rule. able to do everything on his own choosing. and just look at where we are now. 23 million americans are struggling for work today. in fact, since the presid

policy, the war in iraq, taxes, and that sort of thing. lots of opportunity to dive into the substance on the c-span debate of that you can find on c-span.org. our next guest is in the media spin room. if the executive vice president of college republicans at cet ntre college. tell me about the experience for the campus. what has it been like the past couple of weeks leading into the debate? >> this has absolutely transformed centre college. when i came here two years ago, then bill was a small town. tonight, the world is watching -- danville was a small town. i could not be more proud of the transformation i've seen on campus in the past two months. >> i have been reading on the internet that you have been having voter registration drives in concert with the debate. how has that been going? >> it is great. the president was present have been truly wonderful to work with. we are looking for a bipartisan solution to our problems. if we can get people voting on issues that are important to them, that is important. >> it with absolutely remarkable. congressman run, his wife, his mother, o

, congressman ryan on the obama tax plan. >> the average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25%, and the president wants the top affected tax rate on successful small businesses to go above 40%. two-thirds of our jobs come from small businesses. this one tax would actually tax about 53% of small business income. >> it's not 53%. it includes a lot of businesses that people would not consider small businesses. biden was correct, it could include hedge funds that pull in hundreds of millions of dollars a year. >> reporter: mr. biden talks about how the house republicans cut funding. >> the congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for. >> reporter: fact check found this number a bit inflated. it's closer to $264 million, and that included money for building and maintenance, not just security. finally, mr. biden quotes governor romney prior to the death of osama bin laden. >> governor romney said i wouldn't move heaven and earth come from bin laden. >> this was a quote back in 2007. it was more to it. he talked about not going jus

but ryan didn't back down. here's one memorable exchange between the two. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these important preferences for middle class taxpayers -- >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. it's been done before. it's precisely what we're proposing -- >> it has never been done before. >> it's been done a couple times. >> it has never been done before. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> here's how cnn scored it, practically a tie. vice president biden's son beau will discuss. first, governor romney on the warpath over libya, saying joe biden is in complete denial when he said during the debate last night the white house had no clue the u.s. consulate in benghazi wanted more security before the deadly attack that killed the ambassador. let's get right to our first guest to talk about it. republican congressman mike rogers, chairman of the house select committee on intelligence. mr. rogers, thank you for joining me. let me ask you straight away about your reaction to this issue that's

are proposing $5 trillion in tax cuts. you're proposing to increase defense spending by $2 trillion. >> neither of these numbers are accurate. >> biden himself acknowledges he will be ready to respond if ryan disputes his record. >> i just want to make sure that when i say these things, no, no, no, i don't have the position or that's not the governor's position. >> to fully prepare, biden had a strict daily ritual. afternoons where biden rehearsed answering moderator questions. dinner time at home with his wife and after dinner, biden returned to the hotel for the 90 minute mock debates took place. biden's team wants to make sure you don't see any of those gaffes he's so notorious for. >> there's nothing about joe biden that i think people in this state don't like about him and love about him. >> but it can be a hard line between speaking from the heart and moments like this one last week on the middle class. >> how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> or in august, speaking to an audience that included many african-americans. >> he's goi

a mistake and i think -- i got a bridge to sell you. >> reporter: he also went after ryan's plan for a tax cut. >> not possible. >> it is possible. it's been done before. it has never been done before. >> it's been done a couple of times. >> it has never been done before. >> ronald reagan. >> reporter: in his first national debate ryan chairman of the house budget committee stood his ground. >> this is what politicians do when they don't have a record to run on. try to scare people from voting for you. >> reporter: pressured on romney's plan to reform social security and medicare, ryan didn't back town. >> medicare and social security going bankrupt. these are indisputable facts. they haven't put a credible solution on table. he'll tell you about vouchers. he'll say you all these things to scare people. >> reporter: he silenced the vice president almost by connecting the president's jobs record to president's home town. >> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scranton, pence, i'm from wisconsin. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today? 10%. you know what it was the

trillion tax cut? what was being presented wasn't leadership. that's salesmanship. >> when the storm clouds clear, which romney will voters remember? the bone dry severe conservative or the misty massachusetts moderate? the paradox of the mittens, a multi volume extravaganza continues. john heilemann, what do we make, what do you specifically make, of this politico inside dope that says ann and tagg romney have been instrumental in this recalibrated mitt romney? >> i never want to take exception that anybody mike allen and jim vandehei write but maybe there's a straining to find a more biz zanty explanation than is necessarily the case. to question that ann romney was unhawpe with what was happening to her husband as any reasonable wife would be, given the way he was being portrayed and allowing people to portray himself. there's, you know, losing campaign, which the romney campaign was until the debate in denver, there's always a lot of second guessing and it started early in this campaign. she clearly has made her feelings known in a very direct way. the part of the story about tagg romne

are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than governor romney's pays. i've had it up to here with that notion of 47%. >> reporter: congressman ryan was not afraid to fight back. >> romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. and with respect to that quote, i think the vp very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> i always say what i mean. and so does romney. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> don't take all the four minutes then. >> reporter: and that laid the ground work for the tone, with the two candidates unafraid to mix it up. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. >> it has never been done before. >> it's been done a couple of times. >> it has never been -- >> lower tax rates increase growth. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? i'm not allowed to show letters, but go on our website. he sent me two letters saying, by the

on how you pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics, or are you still working on it and that's why you won't tell voters? >> and when he wouldn't give her the specifics she followed up by saying, okay, no specifics. by knowing what she was talking about particularly on foreign policy but essentially the whole night and by interrupting judicially and ab libbing appropriate follow-up questions martha raddatz covered a lot of ground that did not get touched if last week's debate, that has not been touched in the campaign much at all really and importantly helped expose some big blank spots on the policy map for the challenging party in this presidential race which before last night had been able to get away with zero specifics on anything they did not want to be specific about. so last night paul ryan either had to give specifics or we finally, finally got a giant national spotlight shining on the fact that he had no specifics to offer. that's why this debate was awesome. that's why this debate went fast. this was an exhilarating amount of ground to

, 100th of 1%. it's nothing compared to the tax breaks given to the corporations and the like. what it says is it's a matter of priorities. who stands with the priorities that education, young people, all that. so that's why they're using it in that way. and i think that will play into the debate tonight just the way andrea was talking about because when you get to medicare, i think that biden has a clearly different point of view. when you get to spending, when you get to taxes. i think that's what big bird was about in terms of that ad saying to especially women, look at the priorities of the republicans -- >> women don't sit at home at night worrying about big bird. i'm telling you right now. i was not up thinking about big bird. i can assure you of that. the fact they're talking about big bird makes them look very, very unserious. and no offense to my five-year-old nephew, but he is talk being big bird. mitt romney is a bully, it's just so fifth grade. we knew that obama lacked maturity before. now we know for sure that his campaign does. >> steve: all right. >> i'm glad you're

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